# Elite Table Builds **URL:** \ **Category:** Elite Series (Masso & Redline) (Gen 1)\ **Created:** [January 19, 2023, 12:52am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/elite-table-builds/18240 "2023-01-19T00:52:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 102
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/elite-table-builds/18240/102 "2023-10-10T21:44:26Z")
Hey Poppa, > [@PoppaChris](#): > > One other question I have is about the table + the QCW frame. Some people use it and some people don’t. Is it better to mount the machine directly to the table or mount it to the qcw frame which appears to sit on the table vs mount to the table. Any help on that topic would be helpful. the QCW Frame, when it came out, provided what the Onefinity machine was lacking to be a complete machine: **A machine base**. But - it is rather expensive - It is by far not as stiff as a [welded steel base](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/qcw-stand-kreg-wobble/18573/4) (okay, no one would expect that). It was even reported that it bent when drilling/sinking on a workpiece - There is a rather large wasteboard area that you can’t use at the rear (you could even leave that area out when putting MDF slats on it), and a wasteboard room at the front that is clearly missing, as the milling motor **is not** located over the area with the T-tracks. The advantage is that the _Any Surface Leveling Feet_ **are now included** (before, you had to order them separately [here](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/any-surface-leveling-system)) **so you can put the machine somewhere and [make it coplanar immediately](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/what-do-i-do-first/18349/6) (use fishing line method) and start to mill something.** > [@How to install QCW leveling feet](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/how-to-install-qcw-leveling-feet/12571/1): > > Step 3: install the connector for the levelling foot inside the rail opening > > ![thumbnail_Step 3](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/9/0/90a8886a53dd87041ca152fa6adaa060f06569e0.jpeg) As for **rectangularity** (“squareness”) of QCW Frame, I haven’t checked yet. Will report as soon as possible. On the other hand, I think if you make a **2-3" thick (anti-)torsion box** out of 12 mm birch plywood, as many did here, as a machine base / table top, it would not make much sense to use the QCW frame, and such an (anti-)torsion box can be very, very stiff. However adjusting coplanarity would have to be done with shims under the feet then. > [@Out of square issue](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/out-of-square-issue/22570/2): > > By the way, when mounting the Onefinity CNC to a table top, I always suggest _not_ to use the wood screws that come with it, but [bolts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_(fastener)) instead, or better bolts in sleeves (e.g. brass) with bolts in it. Their diameter would need to be exactly 8 mm: > > > [@Installing the Journeyman](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/installing-the-journeyman/20535/5): > > > > ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/0/e/0e4ed7aef03d6eaf97bd41c2e9971b27edadb596.png) > > > > [RAIL END - 35mm.pdf](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/uploads/short-url/wQ8j0PjrzSLIjKeOG6m2liUunUV.pdf) I bought a QCW frame to analyze it (ouch to my wallet), and will use it for testing purposes and will report then. But I will not use QCW frame in my final assembly. However many people are very satisfied with it. --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/elite-table-builds/18240)._