# New purchase spindle and VFD **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [March 2, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137 "2023-03-02T12:17:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Briantammy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9adbd/32.png) [@Briantammy](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Briantammy)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/1 "2023-03-02T12:17:21Z")
Hi I have a question opinion only if you don’t mind helping a lady out lol 😂. My husband is looking to get a Onefiniti cnc. He says he won’t buy one until I’ll my epoxy room is done (I do tumblers). Well I have a setup that works for now and so I think 🤔 think lol I might just order it. I’m looking at the elite foreman 48 x 48 since it has the largest cutting area and it’s asking me router vs spindle. I know he’d rather spindle than router (we have been doing our research for a few years and at one time almost bought a ShopSabre). We have decided to go with a smaller financial investment for now. Which spindle would be better? I’m thinking the 80mm? I know we will need to purchase a VFD separately, does anyone have suggestions? I might leave that part for him after the cnc arrives (and I’m out of trouble lol). I planned to get him a touch probe & dust collection when I order it. I think at some point he will get a laser as well, I didn’t know if that would help with suggestions/guidance. I emailed onefinitni and they referred me to the faq page for this and I’ve already been there. I know they can’t help for liability reasons and I hoped someone here would be able to give me some ideas or direction. This is a big purchase and not one I typically would do solo, a bit nervous. Thank you! Tammy ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/2 "2023-03-02T12:41:23Z")
Hey Tammy, these are frequently asked (and frequently answered) questions. You can use the search function. The forum is full of information regarding the questions you have in mind. > ## [Improve the Discussion](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/faq#improve) > > Help us make this a great place for discussion by always working to improve the discussion in some way, however small. If you are not sure your post adds to the conversation, think over what you want to say and try again later. > > The topics discussed here matter to us, and we want you to act as if they matter to you, too. Be respectful of the topics and the people discussing them, even if you disagree with some of what is being said. > > One way to improve the discussion is by discovering ones that are already happening. Spend time browsing the topics here before replying or starting your own, and you’ll have a better chance of meeting others who share your interests. > > –Source: [This forum’s FAQ](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/faq) Welcome to the forum! ---
**Author:** ![ssamborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/ssamborn/32/6855_2.png) [@ssamborn](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/ssamborn)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/3 "2023-03-02T13:23:45Z")
I’ll offer an alternate opinion. Door number 3. Both spindle and router. Compared to the cost of the Elite Foreman, the router is not a lot (just over $100 USD). It would allow you to be up and running and having fun almost immediately. You could then have time to research and plan the spindle/VFD as a phase 2 project - and it is a project. It can turn into a deep dark rabbit hole if you are not already familiar with such things. As a bonus, after you upgrade to the spindle, the router is a useful tool in its own right. Or sell it at a garage sale and buy yourself a nice bit or two. ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/5 "2023-03-02T13:37:50Z")
Hey Scott, hey Tammy @Briantammy, hey all, I think it is good to be aware that mounting, wiring and setting up a VFD/spindle is not a task that usually can be expected to be done by a consumer, it requires electricians skills. I agree that it would be good to have a simple, plug-and-play milling motor to be able to get familiar with a CNC machine. Tammy, you just should know that while Onefinity designed the Onefinity CNC machine having the [Makita hand trim router](https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/RT0701C) in mind, …as soon as you give it a heavier task to do, which is easy if you put it into a CNC machine. I often mentioned that there is a category of easy plug-and-play, cnc-suitable milling motors that are [the best milling motor solution for hobbyists and semiprofessionals](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/introducing-the-new-onefinity-elite-series-powered-by-masso/16706/115#best-milling-motor-solution-for-hobbyists-and-semiprofessionals-1), but still Onefinity does not offer a motor mount for these devices. But possibly [this feature request](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/offer-a-43mm-spindle-mount-option-for-the-elite-series/19095) could lead to Onefinity offering a solution one day. ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/6 "2023-03-02T13:47:39Z")
Hey Tammy, > [@Briantammy](#): > > I know we will need to purchase a VFD separately, does anyone have suggestions? > [@CNC Newbie needs advice and Guidance](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/cnc-newbie-needs-advice-and-guidance/18969/9): > > I would always recommend a VFD that has [Sensorless Vector Control](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_control_(motor)) which is the case e.g. with the [Hitachi WJ200](https://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/inv/wj200/index.htm), the [Omron MX2](https://industrial.omron.co.uk/en/products/mx2), the [Hitachi S1](https://automation.hitachi-industrial.eu/en/products/inverter/standard-drive/s1), and the [Invertek E-3](https://www.invertekdrives.com/variable-frequency-drives/optidrive-e3), and with many serious VFDs more. > > If you choose the Hitachi WJ200 or the Omron MX2, which are excellent VFDs, you got to know that they are both practically identical. All the settings and options are identical and also the manuals have the same content (with extremely little exceptions) ([Omron MX2 User’s Manual](https://assets.omron.eu/downloads/manual/en/v5/i570_mx2_users_manual_en.pdf), [Hitachi WJ200 User’s Manual](https://www.hitachi-iesa.com/sites/default/files/supportdocs/WJ200_Instruction_NT325X.pdf)). > > The right model for **single-phase 200-240 V input** for driving a 2.2 kW motor is called either > > - **[Omron 3G3MX2-AB022-E](https://industrial.omron.co.uk/en/products/mx2)** > > and the WJ200 equivalent is called > > - **[Hitachi WJ200-022SF](https://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/inv/wj200/index.htm)** > > Be careful to choose the right model if you have split-phase electricity (240 V), since you got to buy these models which receive their power over one single phase. I would always [avoid considering 110 V VFDs/spindles](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/ultimate-elite-build/17761/2) except if you stay [with 0.75 kW mechanical motor output at maximum](https://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/inv/wj200/index.htm), because with higher power, with 100 V class you need too big wires/fuses. In the U.S. you usually have [split-phase electricity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-phase_electric_power) which means you can use a 240 V outlet (e.g. a [NEMA 6](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#NEMA_6) or [NEMA 14](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#NEMA_14)) for higher power devices like VFDs/spindles. Be aware that when you buy a spindle, … > [@Incorrect or missing data on cheap chinese VFDs and spindles](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/incorrect-or-missing-data-on-cheap-chinese-vfds-and-spindles/18909/1): > > on chinese spindles, [the power rating is often wrong](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/anyone-using-huanyang-gt-series-vfd/13083/12). ---
**Author:** ![RockingMallet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/rockingmallet/32/22313_2.png) [@RockingMallet](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/RockingMallet)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/7 "2023-03-02T17:16:25Z")
@Briantammy i agree with Scott, do both. get the onefinity with the 80mm mount and purchase a sleeve to fit the 65mm makita router. i believe i purchased this one and the quality of the 3d print is very good. > **[80mm to 65mm Sleeve for Onefinity Z-20 Mount - Etsy](https://www.etsy.com/listing/1357895873/80mm-to-65mm-sleeve-for-onefinity-z-20?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=onefinity&ref=sr_gallery-1-42&frs=1&cns=1&sts=1&organic_search_click=1)** > > This Equipment & Machines item by SolaFideDesignsKc has 12 favorites from Etsy shoppers. Ships from Kansas City, MO. Listed on Feb 28, 2023 then your hubby can run the router until he decides which spindle to get. it would also serve as a backup solution if the spindle went down, you can just plop the sleeve/router in and your back in business. ---
**Author:** ![SirDD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SirDD](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/SirDD)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/8 "2023-03-02T18:53:25Z")
Found this one on ebay. I believe it will work for my setup. Im just not sure on the age though. Any thoughts. ![s-l1600](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/6/d/6d8c05a4f0ee7ae074c203929cf95281d53d1f91.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/9 "2023-03-02T18:59:33Z")
Hey Christopher, this is an exellent VFD, however this is the “LF” version, for running this variant, you forcibly need a 200 V class [three-phase power](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power) supply circuit (208 V three-phase in the U.S.). It will not work if you only have [split-phase electric power](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-phase_electric_power) (120/240 V) in your workshop. For this, you would need the [“SF” version](https://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/inv/wj200/index.htm). ---
**Author:** ![ssamborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/ssamborn/32/6855_2.png) [@ssamborn](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/ssamborn)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/10 "2023-03-02T19:01:30Z")
As @349iq2345 pointed out in a different thread…You will need 1Ph input for North America. That appears to be 3Ph. Uhh, yeah…what he just beat me to saying ---
**Author:** ![SirDD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SirDD](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/SirDD)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/11 "2023-03-02T19:02:55Z")
Ok, found a better one and its new for a good price ![Screenshot_20230302-120154_Chrome](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/4/9/49272d290d8a65df0836235a48621b8aa0b9f9db.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![SirDD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SirDD](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/SirDD)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/12 "2023-03-02T19:03:57Z")
You guys are Awesome man. Thanks for sharing your expertise. ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/13 "2023-03-02T19:19:12Z")
Hey Christopher, yes this looks like the correct variant [Hitachi WJ200-022SF](https://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/inv/wj200/index.htm), which MikeH [presented here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/hitachi-vfd-connection/7328), that also more forum members run ([here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/hitachi-vfd-connection/7328/14), [here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/low-speed-high-torque-spindles-availble-to-the-us/14305/24)) and which is identical to the [Omron MX2](https://industrial.omron.co.uk/en/products/mx2) that I own. Here you see my VFD’s nameplate, and below, Michael’s @MikeH nameplate: > [@CNC Newbie needs advice and Guidance](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/cnc-newbie-needs-advice-and-guidance/18969/9): > > ![Omron_MX2_Nameplate_1Ph](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/e/e/eeb34e027b8c877e457aca61bbfc7fe113ae9ef9.png) > ![Hitachi_WJ200_Single-phase_200_V_2.2kW_VFD_Nameplate](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/f/5/f5d5d065fcaf18067096e6a7928c28f5c9433245.png) Here you can also see that the Omron offers 580 Hz while the Hitachi only 400 Hz, but this only matters if you want to run spindles with more than 24,000 rpm (e.g. [these ones](https://www.spindel-shop.de/en/high-frequency-spindles--Professional-Series/automatic-tool-change-spindle-ATC-Series/)). With 400 Hz, you can run the usual 24,000 rpm spindles. I would look for the **matching EMI filter and the brake resistor too**. 1. As per the [Omron MX2 manual, SECTION 5: Inverter System Accessories](https://assets.omron.eu/downloads/manual/en/v5/i570_mx2_users_manual_en.pdf), for the 200 V class single-phase input 2.2 kW model, it is 2. As per the [Hitachi WJ200 User’s Manual](https://www.hitachi-iesa.com/sites/default/files/supportdocs/WJ200_Instruction_NT325X.pdf), These EMI filters match the Omron/Hitachi VFDs as they are “footprint” filters which means you can mount them on the back of the matching VFD model, between VFD and the mounting plate of your [control cabinet](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/hey-is-this-your-vfd-enclosure/10130/3). The VFD and the EMI filter are [properly grounded this way](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/proper-grounding-how-have-you-grounded-your-frame/12331/22). Of course you can also mount the EMI filter separately: ![Mechatron_Control_Cabinet_AB022-HF-V1-ATC](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/2X/5/5aa2a0be31d1796e5c75194e4add9ac475596a25.jpeg) – Image source: [Electrical Cabinets – Mechatron](https://www.spindel-shop.de/en/Electrical-Cabinets-mechatron/) ---
**Author:** ![Briantammy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9adbd/32.png) [@Briantammy](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Briantammy)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/14 "2023-03-02T23:29:02Z")
So if I do the router now he can upgrade to the spindle later? I didn’t realize they were interchangeable / upgradable, I thought he would have to buy another with the spindle option. If so that’s perfect! Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Briantammy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9adbd/32.png) [@Briantammy](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Briantammy)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/15 "2023-03-02T23:33:32Z")
We’re in Ohio so all good! You guys are great help and my son in law was in looking too. I will tell him lol I won’t be in trouble alone ha ha ha ---
**Author:** ![ssamborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/ssamborn/32/6855_2.png) [@ssamborn](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/ssamborn)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/16 "2023-03-02T23:56:07Z")
When you buy the Foreman you have the choice of buying with a 65mm mount meant for the router, or the 80mm mount meant for the spindle. You have a couple options (as I see it) if you intend to start with router and upgrade to spindle: 1. Buy it with the 80mm mount and then buy or make and adapter shim such as @RockingMallet mentioned in order to run the smaller 65mm router. 2. Buy it with the 65mm mount then buy the 80mm mount separately (~$88) at a later date if/when you decide to upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 12:09am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/17 "2023-03-03T00:09:44Z")
When you buy a Onefinity Standard Series, you get a 65 mm mount for the Makita trim router. As an optional accessory, you can buy the: > [@Half-inch bit limitations](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/half-inch-bit-limitations/19031/3): > > ![f704eb_d7ced3cfde53458a838f96688847d9e5~mv2](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/a/a/aacced0efdf364b4895aa76991f69638983eee07.png) > Image: [Onefinity 80 mm spindle mount](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/80mm-spindle-mount) (for Standard Z-16 Slider) … just to show how such a mount looks like. Note that these mounts are not interchangeable with those for the [Z-20 Z assembly](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/z-20-heavy-duty-z-slider), which are a bit bigger. As Scott already said, with the Elite Series, you can choose with which mount you order it, 65 mm or 80 mm. ---
**Author:** ![ssamborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/ssamborn/32/6855_2.png) [@ssamborn](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/ssamborn)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/18 "2023-03-03T01:10:09Z")
Good call on that being for the z-16. I gotta believe the 80mm mount will be available separately at some point. Probably best to get the 80mm from the start then. ---
**Author:** ![SanderCreations](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/sandercreations/32/21310_2.png) [@SanderCreations](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/SanderCreations)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/new-purchase-spindle-and-vfd/19137/19 "2023-03-03T03:10:35Z")
Can’t say what is right for you but I will tell you what I did. I got my Jourmeyman in November and started with the Makita Router. Worked nicely but the router is quite loud, especially when the shop vac is running for dust collection. Since then I have exchanged a 4 HP for a 6.5 HP shop vac (no room for a bigger/better dust collection system) which works way better and is a little less loud. I also exchanged the router for a 80mm air-cooled spindle. Just got the spindle hooked up and today was my first day using it. So much quieter and much more power. I’m carving some ipe this weekend and I suspect it will have no trouble. I’m still glad I started with the router, I needed a hand held trim router anyway!