# Onefinity Foreman Pro ordered with out the black box **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [March 3, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682 "2024-03-03T02:19:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hyspead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@hyspead](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/hyspead)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/1 "2024-03-03T02:19:59Z")
Just pulled the trigger, I have a Masso G3 already so I did not get the black box on this machine. My question is do need new cables to install my controller? ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/2 "2024-03-03T02:57:38Z")
Hey hyspead, > [@hyspead](#): > > Just pulled the trigger, I have a Masso G3 already so I did not get the black box on this machine. My question is do need new cables to install my controller? if you bought a Masso G3 directly at the Masso shop, then probably… > [@Would you buy 1F again](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/would-you-buy-1f-again/23453/70): > > …this is **a bare one!** It lacks… > > 1. a **power supply** , > > 2. a **relay control box** for switching router and vac on and off, > > 3. a **plug-and-play [spindle/VFD control output](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/vfd-spindle-wiring-schematic-for-elite-masso-machines/20022)** like Onefinity’s 6-pin GX-12 connector : > > > [@Spindle connection on Masso](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/spindle-connection-on-masso/19772/2): > > > > ![Onefinity_Elite_Masso_6-pin_spindle_cable](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/2/6/26f71d5cb5eb806998255833c4d66a0146d78187.png) > > > > [Onefinity Elite Series Installation and Operation Instructions (PDF)](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/_files/ugd/f704eb_4e98c0f27f4d43e991af6b10cefd4b20.pdf), page 38 > > For wiring other VFDs to this connector, [see here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/posted-original-message-in-wrong-place/23401/3). > > If you get the Masso G3 Touch as part of an Onefinity Elite Series machine, **not only you get it to a favorable price, but it has all these accessories included!** > > However should you want to upgrade to a Masso G3 Touch _without_ the [Elite Upgrade kit](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/upgradesinfo), but by doing that yourself by just buying the Masso G3 Touch at the Masso shop, then… > > > [@Can you upgrade controller only](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/can-you-upgrade-controller-only/23263/3): > > > > …you can buy the [Masso G3 Touch](https://www.masso.com.au/product/masso-touch-mill-router-cnc-controller/) (US $1,290.00 without power supply), build a [custom power supply and relay box for the Masso G3 Touch and for your machine](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/official-onefinity-cnc-elite-series-assembly-video-elite-foreman-journeyman-woodworker/19311/3), and **as it is a universal CNC controller** , you could [make it fit your existing](https://docs.masso.com.au/getting-started-guides/installing-masso#p6) Onefinity Original X-35/X-50/PRO Series machine. You could still use your existing open-loop steppers, however as you would no more benefit of the four [Texas Instruments DRV8711](https://www.ti.com/product/DRV8711) stepper drivers inside the [Onefinity Original X-35/X-50/PRO Series Controller](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/_files/ugd/1cee9f_bed246d0462e443ab8f782f2384d4ddb.pdf), so you would need to [**buy four external stepper drivers separately**](https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/digital-stepper-driver-1-0-4-2a-20-50vdc-for-nema-17-23-24-stepper-motor-dm542t) (see also [explanations here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/is-setting-up-rotary-axis-simpler-on-masso-than-on-buildbotics/23150)). You could also buy some closed-loop, stepper motors like the [Stepper motors that are used on the Elite Series](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-elite-masso-motor-specs/18787), here you can choose among easily available [Stepper Motors with Integrated Stepper Drivers](https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/integrated-stepper-motor) (the little black box on each of the stepper motors), and by the way also choose whether with or without brake. > > > > You could in every case easily [Retrofit Hardware Limit Sensors](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/controller-software-tool-change-location-0-0-g54-g55-g56/10052/14) to the Onefinity Standard X-35/X-50/PRO Series **which I would recommend anyway** , to get rid of unreliable [Stall Homing](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/stepper-motor-setting-help/20462/2) (=machine bumps the axis carriage to the end of travel until the stepper driver detects it = [poor homing repeatability](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/how-common-are-missed-steps/18352/8)) > > > [@Official ONEFINITY CNC Elite MASSO Series Assembly Video ( ELITE Foreman, Journeyman, Woodworker) (FAQ)](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/official-onefinity-cnc-elite-masso-series-assembly-video-elite-foreman-journeyman-woodworker-faq/19311/3): > > > > ![Onefinity_Elite_Power_supplies_50pct](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/0/2/02af01aed11efea36bc17b01b90e9eb0e510c916.png) > > Image: **Onefinity Elite’s Power Supply and Relay Box** > > _(Left: Version for North and Latin America. Right: Version for the rest of the world)_ > > > [@349iq2345](#): > > > > ![Elite_Power_Box_Front](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/4/1/41ccdfb55190da5a10fba3032d20a3996b83a3d8.jpeg) > > > > Here you can get 24 V DC for five stepper drivers and motors, that are produced [by a step-down converter](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/spindle-z-slider-dropping-spindle-drop-down-on-poweroff-estop-elite-series/19878/159) from the 36 V version of the [Meanwell LRS-350](https://www.meanwell.com/productPdf.aspx?i=459) switching power supply inside. The [MASSO G3](https://www.masso.com.au/product/masso-touch-mill-router-cnc-controller/) is a universal CNC controller. It can be set up and wired to fit any CNC machine, as it supports a wide variety of motors. → [Masso Documentation](https://docs.masso.com.au/Welcome) is the link on how to achieve that. Welcome to the forum! ---
**Author:** ![hyspead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@hyspead](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/hyspead)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/3 "2024-03-03T04:38:18Z")
I have the Masso controller limit switch’s and pendant, already brought from a friend, so the bare bone machine dos not come with a power supply? ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 10:09am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/4 "2024-03-03T10:09:42Z")
> [@hyspead](#): > > so the bare bone machine dos not come with a power supply? precisely, the buildbotics-derived Onefinity Controller has its power supply [inside the case](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/how-to-switch-the-controller-from-110-220v/2125). ---
**Author:** ![hyspead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@hyspead](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/hyspead)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/5 "2024-09-02T20:11:25Z")
Hello all, the x50 pro is setup masso installed with the masso motors and some great Panasonic pm-l25 limit Switches (get some). The problems im having are my projects and not aligning on the machine correctly, I create a 8" on a 15" squared peace of mdf upload the good after homing the maching and setting the xy on the material with my touch probe, everything is great util i start the process the machine know matter the settings in vetric plunge over half way threw the material and the carves seems to be to big but i cannot tell because i cannot complete a carve, any help is greatly appreciated ---
**Author:** ![OnefinityCNC](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/onefinitycnc/32/7_2.png) [@OnefinityCNC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/OnefinityCNC)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/6 "2024-09-02T20:48:40Z")
you need to set the black box up to your specific machine. > [@How To Reset The Configuration To Defaults (BB Controller)](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/how-to-reset-the-configuration-to-defaults-bb-controller/2547): > > Occasionally, there may be a time when you need to reset the machine back to factory defaults. Here’s how to perform a configuration reset. (machine not working correctly, machine cutting shrunk or stretched, ipp rail upgrade sizes) Please note, resetting the configuration will change any custom values you have entered (i.e. probe size, stall homing settings). Please make note of these BEFORE resetting so you can input them back in once reset. Always ensure you’re on the latest firmware (as … ---
**Author:** ![hyspead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@hyspead](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/hyspead)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/7 "2024-09-03T11:04:01Z")
Sorry, im not running the black box, I have x50 pro with the masso controller that i already had new and purchased the masso motors later all of my wiring is custom, im basically troubled with PPR, accelaration and depth of cut, ---
**Author:** ![hyspead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@hyspead](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/hyspead)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-foreman-pro-ordered-with-out-the-black-box/25682/8 "2025-02-09T21:21:41Z")
Everything is up and running, looking fornthe vest options for ATC