# Question: Vertical Operation & Orientation **URL:** \ **Category:** Original/PRO Series (Buildbotics) (Gen 1)\ **Created:** [October 11, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212 "2021-10-11T17:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Randy85253](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/randy85253/32/4346_2.png) [@Randy85253](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Randy85253)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/1 "2021-10-11T17:41:33Z")
I am planning on building a ‘tilt’ Cart for my Journeyman that can go from a vertical position for storage to a horizontal position for full use. I would like to also be able to use the machine in the Vertical position, or maybe a 15’ angle to hold stuff better. There are many examples of such carts and wall mounts on the web, but they most all orient the X-Y axis different from the way OF does as shown with their wall-mount unit. The OF Wall Mount shows the 2 Y rails running horizontally, along the wall, with the X rail running vertically, up/down the wall. Most every uTube version has the X axis running horizontally, along the wall, and the Y access running vertically, up the wall. I think the OF Wall Mount orientation is correct because the only weight that has to be lifted vertically is the Z gantry. The full weight of the X rails does not have to be raised and lowered in this orientation. With the long X axis of the Journeyman, this is probably even more important. The other way, the full weight of the X rails and Z gantry has to be raised and lowered (granted, it has both Y servos) One negative of the OF Wall Mount orientation is that dust will fall on the lower Y ball screw. Questions: 1. Which vertical orientation is best? 2. Will dust on the lower Y ball screw be a problem? 3. I am planning on using a 65mm, 800W, water cooled spindle and Dust boot and hose. Will this weigh too much to use vertically? 4. I assume a 15-20 angle from vertical would be more convenient to use than a full vertical. Any recommendations on angle? 5. I assume using the laser in the vertical orientation is no big deal, other than holding material after cut. Correct? ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/2 "2021-10-11T17:56:39Z")
Hey Randy, I can answer only a selection of your questions. > [@Randy85253](#): > > - Will dust on the lower Y ball screw be a problem? If it is not collected, probably. And as some people reported, it also tends to adhere on the rails too and to accumulate at home position, thereby changing stall homing position with time. But generally wood dust should never fall down or fly around. **Wood dust is harmful, cancerogenic, dangerous**. It should entirely be collected by a powerful dust collection system. > [@Randy85253](#): > > - I am planning on using a 65mm, 800W, water cooled spindle and Dust boot and hose. Will this weigh too much to use vertically? Probably not. But you should be aware that with the 65 mm mount, the [spindle will not clear the stepper](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/air-cooled-spindle/5951/33) so you have limitations on spindle length and/or spindle position in the mount. With the optional [80 mm spindle mount](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/80mm-spindle-mount), the spindle [clears the stepper](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/upgrading-stepper-motor-for-80mm-spindle/6717/58) so you don’t have this limitation. Also some people had [issues with hairline cracks](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/water-cooled-spindle/7097/7) with some 65 mm water-cooled spindles. ---
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/3 "2021-10-11T18:07:12Z")
> [@Randy85253](#): > > I assume using the laser in the vertical orientation is no big deal, other than holding material after cut. Correct? According to Albert Einstein, [light is diverted by gravity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#Explanation_in_terms_of_spacetime_curvature) (be sure to check you laser accuracy next time you operate the machine in proximity of a neutron star). ---
**Author:** ![Randy85253](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/randy85253/32/4346_2.png) [@Randy85253](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Randy85253)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/4 "2021-10-11T18:46:52Z")
Thanks, that’s helpful. I’ll switch to the 80mm spindle (I was trying to same weight) ---
**Author:** ![Randy85253](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/randy85253/32/4346_2.png) [@Randy85253](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Randy85253)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/5 "2021-10-11T18:49:05Z")
Thanks, I’ll only use the laser with the beam pointing down so gravity doesn’t affect the accuracy. You’re a life saver. ---
**Author:** ![JimHatch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/jimhatch/32/3928_2.png) [@JimHatch](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/JimHatch)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/6 "2022-02-02T00:55:44Z")
> [@Randy85253](#): > > The OF Wall Mount shows the 2 Y rails running horizontally, along the wall, with the X rail running vertically, up/down the wall. Most every uTube version has the X axis running horizontally, along the wall, and the Y access running vertically, up the wall. That’s because of access to the working area. With it oriented the way you normally see tilt tables, you are facing the X axis running across the table. That lets you get easily into the table space. The axle supports are on the sides by the Y axis tubes. You’re reaching straight into the spoilboard, not over the Y tubes. But you’re right about wanting it turned 90 degrees so the router mount is the only thing moving against gravity. That means you’ll need to reach across the Y tubes to get to the bed or come at it across whatever support structure you have the axles mounted in. I could do that on one end of my table but would have to reach over the cabinet I’ve got on the other end of the axle. You just need to plan for how you’ll use it when you have it rolled out and rotated flat. ---
**Author:** ![Randy85253](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.onefinitycnc.com/randy85253/32/4346_2.png) [@Randy85253](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Randy85253)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/7 "2022-02-02T02:45:57Z")
Thanks for your reply. I get your point about easier access the normal way. After using it a bit flat, I get it. Making the open end the ‘front’ is just easier. Not sure how significate the weight would be either, this thing seems build like a tank. Actually I am just using it just flat now, may not even tilt. Still working on getting VFD setup better, I think I was getting some EFI randomly. But I do consider the open end the front naturally. Thanks very much for your kind reply Randy ---
**Author:** ![Knappwerks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/87869e/32.png) [@Knappwerks](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Knappwerks)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/8 "2022-02-02T18:11:37Z")
I have a X-50 WW with a 2.2 kW spindle mounted vertically (~15 degrees). I had an issue with the X rail occasionally dropping when I had the Y rails going up and down. Rotating 90 degrees solved that problem. ---
**Author:** ![Dakotah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@Dakotah](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Dakotah)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/question-vertical-operation-orientation/8212/9 "2022-02-28T12:10:44Z")
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