# Wall Mounting the Elite Series
**URL:** https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695
**Category:** Elite Series (Masso & Redline) (Gen 1)
**Created:** [December 28, 2022, 4:16am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695 "2022-12-28T04:16:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@DailyLunatic](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/DailyLunatic)
#### Post date: [December 28, 2022, 4:16am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/1 "2022-12-28T04:16:49Z")
I want the Elite Series (trying to justify the additional costs, but that’s another subject)
I would also like to Wall Mount, but see several posts stating that the Elite cannot be wall mounted.
Does that mean:
a) no wall mount system is currently available from 1F?
b) something about the construction prohibits mounting in that position?
or
c) not warrantied/proven for that use?
Inquiring minds want to know… 🤔
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### Author:  [@jhayes](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/jhayes)
#### Post date: [February 14, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/2 "2023-02-14T23:33:55Z")
Also curious here +1 on wall mounting the elite series, I’m looking to purchase a machine soon and have limited workspace so wall mounting would be a game changer for me personally.
Is this something 1F is considering supporting in the future?
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### Author:  [@MindOfMcClure](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/MindOfMcClure)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/3 "2023-02-15T02:09:47Z")
I recall seeing posts in other threads that the Elite is too heavy to wall mount.
-Alex
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### Author:  [@ConvenientWoodwork](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/ConvenientWoodwork)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/4 "2023-02-15T12:03:26Z")
That just sounds like a challenge!
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### Author:  [@Swick](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/Swick)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/5 "2023-02-15T17:36:15Z")
From what I’ve seen, the machine _can_ be wall mounted. The issue that I’ve seen brought up is that the Masso components are not designed to be wall mounted. If there are any issues with your machine you will need to clarify that it is/was wall mounted. Taking it off the wall may fix the problem, it may not. Also, Onefinity may not be able to offer support to those who wall mount the elite machine.
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### Author:  [@OnefinityCNC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/OnefinityCNC)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/6 "2023-02-15T17:53:34Z")
Our official stance:
Elite machines are intended for professional use and not made to be wall mounted.
Onefinity will not offer technical support for wall mounted Elite machines and it could void your warranty.
DO NOT MOUNT ELITE Machines on the wall.
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### Author:  [@RockingMallet](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/RockingMallet)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/7 "2023-02-15T19:57:13Z")
is sure would help in understanding the reason behind this apparently strong stance, and if this could also void said warranty when mounting to a flip top style tables to help with the square footage the machine takes up when stored. there are obviously a number of people that are planning, myself included, to do this to save space.
edited to add: not intending to use in vertical, but will be stored vertical - just clarifying.
thank you.
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### Author:  [@cheman](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/cheman)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/8 "2023-03-28T02:04:11Z")
I had this question too. The feedback I got from 1F was that you ‘cannot’ use/run it in vertical position. Storage is ok.
If this is is not correct, please do point it out.
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### Author:  [@sunadmn](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/sunadmn)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/9 "2023-05-31T17:04:18Z")
@cheman I was jsut emailing with 1F support as I am trying to figure out a solution and they responded with this:
“The best answer we can give you is we do not recommend storing and or using the Elite machines any other way than horizontally.”
As for running it the “why” is due to the stepper motors:
“The elite machines have closed loop stepper motors on them, meaning they provide feedback to the controller constantly. Because that is the case the case they can stall out if they feel the weight of the machine pulling down on them.”
I asked about storage when not powered and didn’t get much back other than it’s not suggested and sounds like it can/will impact your warranty.
As with a lot of buyers space is limited for me so I was really looking forward to being able to put this on a flip cart, but alas that seems like a moot point.
I’m thinking maybe overhead with a hoist that can raise/lower the unit in my garage.
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### Author:  [@cheman](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/cheman)
#### Post date: [May 31, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/10 "2023-05-31T19:15:24Z")
Hi sunadmn,
Here’s my thought on 1F response. Completely understand on using it in a vertical position.
However on storing the Elite in a vertical position… they sell the Rolling-Folding Stand Leg Kit implicitly stating “…When not in use, it can be folded up and rolled out of the way, saving floor space…”.
So I’m confused with the contradictory statements. FYI… I have the Elite Woodworker model.
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### Author:  [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)
#### Post date: [June 1, 2023, 5:09am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/11 "2023-06-01T05:09:29Z")
Hey Stephen,
I think if I was **really sure** that there will be longer times when I will **NOT** use the machine is realistic (you may change your mind on that, regarding how useful a CNC is and that it works while you do nothing), I would store it on a flippable desing like Jim @JimHatch’s modification of the [Fisher-style table concept](https://fishersshoponline.com/plans/p/fishers-mobile-assembly-table) to accomodate the [48″x32″ Journeyman](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/onefinity-journeyman) which can be seen under [Lessons Learned for Flip/Fold up/down Tabletop](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/lessons-learned-for-flip-fold-up-down-tabletop/10129/2), or like Joshua’s @RockingMallet [flippable table variant](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/elite-table-builds/18240/4) for the [Elite 48″x32″ Journeyman](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/elite-journeyman-48-x32-cut-area) or Lee’s @TDE [Fold Down Wall Mounted CNC Table](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/fold-down-wall-mounted-cnc-table/4783).
**In this case** , at every machine shutdown before storage, I would drive the X axis **to the position it will take with gravity** when the machine is powerless and the stepper’s electromagnetic detent is gone, to avoid that it moves after flipping. You may also retrofit [stepper motors with brake](https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/stepper-motor-w-encoder-and-brake) which will ensure the steppers will never move while powered off, or use [Jim’s good ole low-tech method](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/shutdown-on-wallmount/13245/3) to prevent motors from moving with gravity 🙂
However, even if there exist even [flippable table designs with vertical clamping](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/thinking-outside-the-box-table/12553/25), I have never seen **a flippable design with a CNC enclosure**. I belong to those who believe an enclossure is necessary, not only because of dust or noise, but first of all because of safety. **The debris of a broken bit can harm humans and animals severely.** The manufacturer of my spindle, in their spindle manual, makes the use of a CNC enclosure mandatory.
I find [this enclosure concept rather mature](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/the-table-basic/3787/10), see also [here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/the-table-basic/3787/85) and [here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/the-table-basic/3787/75) for its integrated dust outlet. I would make it dust-tight and isolated against noise. What this enclosure takes into account and what I find important, is what @cyberreefguru stated in [Cnc Table Hindsight 20/20](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/cnc-table-hindsight-20-20/5965):
> [@Cnc Table Hindsight 20/20](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/cnc-table-hindsight-20-20/5965/2):
>
> To that end, I really wish I could walk around my machine. I only have access from the front and leaning over to get to the back of the machine (clamps, clean, etc.) is quite the pain in the \*\*\*.
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### Author:  [@mkgmoore](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/mkgmoore)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/12 "2023-10-13T03:57:29Z")
Is the mount on the back of the Masso controller VESA compatible?
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### Author:  [@OnefinityCNC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/OnefinityCNC)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/13 "2023-10-13T04:03:28Z")
Yes it is vesa compatible
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### Author:  [@abrteguy](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/abrteguy)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/14 "2024-02-05T19:54:05Z")
AM I correct That Non Elite machines can be wall mounted?
Dan
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### Author:  [@OnefinityCNC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/OnefinityCNC)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/15 "2024-02-05T19:54:42Z")
@abrteguy
Can be mounted:
X35, X50, Original, Pro
Can **NOT** be mounted:
All Elites.
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### Author:  [@abrteguy](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/abrteguy)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/16 "2024-02-05T20:17:10Z")
Is the X50 the same as a journeyman Pro?
Some differences?
The bed size is 32x48 which is what I need.
Wall mounting YES
Sorry to be a bother.
And THANKS
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### Author:  [@OnefinityCNC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/OnefinityCNC)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/17 "2024-02-05T20:19:36Z")
x50 journey man is the same as a pro journeyman.
Sizes are across all models:
Machinist 16x16
Woodworker 32x32
Journeyman 48x32
Foreman 48x48
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### Author:  [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)
#### Post date: [February 5, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/18 "2024-02-05T20:28:34Z")
Hey Daniel,
> [@abrteguy](#):
>
> Is the X50 the same as a journeyman Pro?
they added the drag chains from Elite and stronger stepper motors, and the [Z-20 “heavy” Z assembly](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/z-20-heavy-duty-z-slider) to the X-50 Series. The Woodworker X-50 (80 × 80 cm workarea) and the Journeyman non-PRO (with X-50 rail, that we bought, 120 × 80 cm workarea) are no more available, they were replaced by the PRO Series with the same dimensions. Both Woodworker and Journeyman have a X rail with 50 mm diameter chrome-plated, hardened steel hollow shafts, and two Y rails with 35 mm diameter shafts. Additionally, there is now a Foreman PRO (120 × 120 cm workarea) offered, with 50 mm diameter shafts on both X and Y axes. All Original and PRO Series have open-loop bipolar steppers that run with the buildbotics-derived Onefinity Controller. All PRO and Original can be bought without a CNC controller if you want to use another third-party controller, and without the very small touch display (if you prefer a bigger one). You don’t forcibly need a touch display, a normal HDMI monitor (or a DVI monitor with adapter), together with a keyboard and a mouse or trackball will also do.
- [Onefinity is excited to announce the PRO Series](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-is-excited-to-announce-the-pro-series/23736)
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### Author:  [@abrteguy](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/abrteguy)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/19 "2024-02-06T18:46:24Z")
Spoke with Becky and wrote an order. She is GREAT!!!
Yes the Journyman Pro will be wall mounted.so I cannot use a MASSO Controller.
I know that Carbide3d does NOT recommend a spindle. Please advise on what others ate using. I need the quiet of a spindle.
I guess the best would be a lighter 110v 65mm spindle but they come in ER 11 and Er20. Which Does NOT work! SUGGESTIONS ANYONE?
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### Author:  [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/wall-mounting-the-elite-series/17695/20 "2024-02-06T18:55:09Z")
Hey Daniel,
> [@abrteguy](#):
>
> I know that Carbide3d does NOT recommend a spindle
Why do they not recommend a spindle? A spindle (an [induction motor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_motor)) is in many respects far superior to a router, which is a [universal Motor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_motor) with [carbon-brush commutator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator_(electric)). Induction motors are the workhorse in the industry, because their excellent performance/price ratio, longevity and power efficacy (see also: [Differences between router and spindle](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/incorrect-or-missing-data-on-cheap-chinese-vfds-and-spindles/18909/27)).
Could it be because they want to sell their [Carbide Compact Router](https://shop.carbide3d.com/products/carbide-compact-router?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=769969fce&pr_rec_pid=1851949252669&pr_ref_pid=6607448899645&pr_seq=uniform) and [Carbide ER11 Compact Router](https://shop.carbide3d.com/products/er11-compact-router?pr_prod_strat=use_description&pr_rec_id=4689570e2&pr_rec_pid=6607448899645&pr_ref_pid=1851949252669&pr_seq=uniform) instead?
> [@abrteguy](#):
>
> I guess the best would be a lighter 110v 65mm spindle but they come in ER 11 and Er20. Which Does NOT work!
What does not work?
By the way, a 65 mm spindle deploys much less mechanical power at the end of the shaft (at the bit) than a 80 mm spindle, with the same electrical current.
True ER collets are far superior to the proprietary Makita hand trim router collets, because the latter hold the bit only at the end of the collet, which leads to issues with the bit sliding inside the collet during operation (thus runining your workpiece). [See here for comparison](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/metric-collets-for-makita/18428/2). This issue has led to frequent reports of wrong or varying depth of milled pockets.
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