# Would you buy 1F again **URL:** \ **Category:** Original/PRO Series (Buildbotics) (Gen 1)\ **Created:** [November 18, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/would-you-buy-1f-again/23453 "2023-11-18T13:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 70
**Author:** ![349iq2345](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/bb73d2/32.png) [@349iq2345](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/u/349iq2345)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/would-you-buy-1f-again/23453/70 "2023-11-24T00:05:56Z")
Hey Kevin, **of course you have automatic spindle/router on and off** on the buildbotics-derived Onefinity Controller too (1. spindle is controlled over Modbus 2. for router you buy the [IoT relay](https://dlidirect.com/products/iot-power-relay) ([FAQ](http://www.digital-loggers.com/iot2faqs.html)) that is activated by [Tool-enable (pin 15)](https://buildbotics.com/manual-v1-0/#25pinioport)), **so no advantage for the Elite Masso.** Modbus control over a two-wire serial communication line on the buildbotics is even better because you really send digital data (spindle rpm exactly as specified, e.g. “18 500 rpm”, while with the Masso, you only use a 0–10 V analog voltage wire to control spindle rpm). But **adjusting feed rate on the fly** is the _most-missed feature_ on the buildbotics. Also what I like is the variety of probes you can use and the **many ways to probe a workpiece on the Masso**. Also there is out-of-the-box support for a toolsetter on the Masso. **BUT** please be aware that the [problems I linked above](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/trying-to-decide-on-elite-vs-x50-series-before-i-buy/18141/74) (lack of shielding on all stepper cables, general susceptibility to [EMI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference) causing step losses (also on Elite), unreliable connectors, missing or too small drag chains, etc.) **apply to _both_ Elite Masso G3 Series _and_ Original X-35/X-50/PRO Series with buildbotics-derived Onefinity Controller.** Also it is a matter of **price and budget**. If you compare - **[Onefinity Woodworker X-50 (32"x32" Cut Area)](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/onefinity-woodworker-1)** - **[Elite Woodworker (32"x32" Cut Area)](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/product-page/elite-woodworker-32-x32-cut-area)** So if your budget is limited, you could very well buy the **Original [X-35](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/original-series-cnc-machines) / [X-50](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/x-50-series-cnc-machines) Series** with [buildbotics](https://buildbotics.com/)-derived Onefinity Controller and you will get a CNC machine that will do what you expect it from. If you bought a **Onefinity Original X-35/X-50 Series** machine with buildbotics-derived Onefinity controller, you can later buy the **[Onefinity Elite Upgrade kit](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/official-elite-upgrade-kit-assembly-video-official-thread/23102)** which is also an excellent offer. On the other hand, **if you ever thought** of buying a Masso G3 Touch directly at the Masso shop, - **[MASSO G3 Touch – CNC Mill / Router 5 Axis Controller](https://www.masso.com.au/product/masso-touch-mill-router-cnc-controller/)** **US $1,290.00** but then this is **a bare one!** It lacks… 1. a **power supply** , 2. a **relay control box** for switching router and vac on and off, [Onefinity Elite Series Installation and Operation Instructions (PDF)](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/_files/ugd/f704eb_4e98c0f27f4d43e991af6b10cefd4b20.pdf), page 38 [/quote] For wiring other VFDs to this connector, [see here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/posted-original-message-in-wrong-place/23401/3). If you get the Masso G3 Touch as part of an Onefinity Elite Series machine, **not only you get it to a favorable price, but it has all these accessories included!** However should you want to upgrade to a Masso G3 Touch _without_ the Elite Upgrade kit, but by doing that yourself by just buying the Masso G3 Touch at the Masso shop, then… > [@Can you upgrade controller only](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/can-you-upgrade-controller-only/23263/3): > > …you can buy the [Masso G3 Touch](https://www.masso.com.au/product/masso-touch-mill-router-cnc-controller/) (US $1,290.00 without power supply), build a [custom power supply and relay box for the Masso G3 Touch and for your machine](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/official-onefinity-cnc-elite-series-assembly-video-elite-foreman-journeyman-woodworker/19311/3), and **as it is a universal CNC controller** , you could [make it fit your existing](https://docs.masso.com.au/getting-started-guides/installing-masso#p6) Onefinity Original X-35/X-50/PRO Series machine. You could still use your existing open-loop steppers, however as you would no more benefit of the four [Texas Instruments DRV8711](https://www.ti.com/product/DRV8711) stepper drivers inside the [Onefinity Original X-35/X-50/PRO Series Controller](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/_files/ugd/1cee9f_bed246d0462e443ab8f782f2384d4ddb.pdf), so you would need to [**buy four external stepper drivers separately**](https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/digital-stepper-driver-1-0-4-2a-20-50vdc-for-nema-17-23-24-stepper-motor-dm542t) (see also [explanations here](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/is-setting-up-rotary-axis-simpler-on-masso-than-on-buildbotics/23150)). You could also buy some closed-loop, stepper motors like the [Stepper motors that are used on the Elite Series](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/onefinity-elite-masso-motor-specs/18787), here you can choose among easily available [Stepper Motors with Integrated Stepper Drivers](https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/integrated-stepper-motor) (the little black box on each of the stepper motors), and by the way also choose whether with or without brake. > > You could in every case easily [Retrofit Hardware Limit Sensors](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/controller-software-tool-change-location-0-0-g54-g55-g56/10052/14) to the Onefinity Standard X-35/X-50 Series **which I would recommend anyway** , to get rid of unreliable [Stall Homing](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/stepper-motor-setting-help/20462/2) (=machine bumps the axis carriage to the end of travel until the stepper driver detects it = [poor homing repeatability](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/how-common-are-missed-steps/18352/8)) > [@Official ONEFINITY CNC Elite MASSO Series Assembly Video ( ELITE Foreman, Journeyman, Woodworker) (FAQ)](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/official-onefinity-cnc-elite-masso-series-assembly-video-elite-foreman-journeyman-woodworker-faq/19311/3): > > ![Onefinity_Elite_Power_supplies_50pct](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/0/2/02af01aed11efea36bc17b01b90e9eb0e510c916.png) > > Image: **Onefinity Elite’s Power Supply and Relay Box** > _(Left: Version for North and Latin America. Right: Version for the rest of the world)_ > [@349iq2345](#): > > ![Elite_Power_Box_Front](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/onefinitycnc/original/3X/4/1/41ccdfb55190da5a10fba3032d20a3996b83a3d8.jpeg) > > Here you can get 24 V DC for five stepper drivers and motors, that are produced [by a step-down converter](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/spindle-z-slider-dropping-spindle-drop-down-on-poweroff-estop-elite-series/19878/159) from the 36 V version of the [Meanwell LRS-350](https://www.meanwell.com/productPdf.aspx?i=459) switching power supply inside. > [@349iq2345](#): > > You know the Masso G3 ( **without ‘Touch’** ) [was already presented in this forum](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/search?q=Masso%20G3%20build%20%40TMToronto), and also its stand-alone version with Touchscreen, the [Masso G3 Touch](https://www.masso.com.au/product/masso-touch-mill-router-cnc-controller/), that you can get to an excellent price in bundle with the [Onefinity Elite Series](https://www.onefinitycnc.com/elite-series). There was also presented in this forum the [DDCS](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/search?q=DDCS), the Centroid [Acorn](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/search?q=acorn), and surely I forgot some. #### Be also sure to be aware of… - **…[What the Elite’s Masso G3 cannot do or does not have](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/buildbotics-vs-masso-controller-solved-answer-in-another-faq/23015/10#what-the-elites-masso-g3-cannot-do-or-does-not-have-1)** --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.onefinitycnc.com/t/would-you-buy-1f-again/23453)._