Has anyone replaced their Z axis assembly for greater travel?

Hey Peter,

You can imagine the cnc machine as a mechanical system built between two ends. One end is your milling bit which mills, which is driven and plunged into work material, and the other end is the machine base where the machine’s feet are attached. To be precise the other end is how the workpiece is clamped to the machine base. Now imagine you would grip the one end, the milling bit (please cut power before imagining this!) with one hand, and with the other hand you would grip the machine table where the workpiece is clamped. And now imagine you would try to bend these two ends apart. The milling bit into one direction, perhaps imagined with a tow rope attached to the bit (or the collet) and you heavily pull on it while the table of the cnc machine is pulled into the other direction. This, in an exaggerated way, represents the forces that act on the mechanical system while the cnc does its usual work, i.e. the motors try to drive your bit through your workpiece. If you follow the thought experiment, you would have tried to imagine, where would the machine be bent, which parts are weak points and where do longer levers make the force rise at some local points in the system?

The leverage force means to increase a force applied with a decreased force provided, by using a longer mechanical part. In this picture it is shown that you can lift a heavy object with needing only 1/20th force of its weight, if you use a lever that is 20 times longer (in this case the wooden board shown):

Palanca-ejemplo_50pct
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A practical example of leverage force is a nut cracker:
Nut_cracker_25pct

Without the nut cracker, cracking the nut is difficult, but with a lever it is easy.

The same way the mechanical parts of the cnc machine are bent by the force that acts by the motors on the workpiece. The parts of your cnc machine may be heavy, and if you watch Ben Myers and his son climbing on top of the Onefinity you may think, no, there is no bending, but of course, this is not true, every system has play. Parts are bending, bearings have clearance, etc. Also the important force that will bend your cnc machine is not someone climbing on top of it, but pulling and pushing on the axle of the milling motor, which I tried to visualize with the tow rope thought experiment. So you may ask yourself, which are the critical parts on my machine? This of course is not to be explained as quickly, as it is a very comlex system, but of course the critical points can be where leverage force is high. I think this should be treated in a dedicated publication, and only after precise measurements. But you could say in general, if you install the Riser Blocks, you make the leverage force higher with which all the forces that already where applied to bit, collet, axle, router bearings, router mount, Z linear bushings, Z rails, Z slider, X gantry block, X linear bushings, X rails (upper and lower, possibly in different directions because of Z assembly pivot), and finally X Rail feet, now are exerted on the rest: Y gantrys, Y linear bushings, Y rails, Y feet, machine base, workpiece clamps, workpiece. Of course the question is: but how much, is it relevant? As a deeply scientifically thinking person, I can only say, this has to be studied, but of course experience can lead to make a few presumptions, and in this regard I would avoid making the X Rails feet longer, except if I can distribute the increase in leverage force over a larger area, e.g. by a longer Y gantry with double number of bearings. But, to be clear, I have not tested it with your Riser Blocks, I can not provide numbers, this would have to be tested with a before-after-measurement. I can only say, they will add at least a minimal amount of play and minimally decrease rigidity and stiffness just by increasing the lever.

You asked for the screws, I would think they are part of the whole system. Of course the force would be towards the bolts but the force is towards all the parts in the chain between milling bit and table/workpiece. In the first place it’s making the X feet longer which adds leverage force. This does not mean that the riser blocks have to be the weakest point then.

PS: Regarding weak points with high leverage force see also here.

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Mr. Rowdy, I am printingyour riser blocks right,
the reason is to add a rotary attachment I have, my question sir is now that you have been using your risers a little longer now beign 10 months since this post, also you have sold I imagine many, my question is how are they doing ? I pray they are fine…

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Starting with a Laptop 3018 machine to see if this whole “CNC thing” was for me, I quickly reached Z-height envy and knew I needed a real machine.

One of the many things that drew me to the 1F was the 3 positions you could mount the Z-axis. When first assembling my Woodworker I of course placed the carriage in the topmost holes, trying to think into the future when I need to place the inevitable log underneath.

The thing about just raising the Z-axis up higher that I soon realized is the amount of downward (negative) travel is only so much. This revealed itself when I tried cutting all the way through a 2-inch-thick piece of stock, and using the Makita router option and a standard .25" end mill, the carriage bottomed out and wouldn’t go any further. If you look at spindle motors, some of them have longer bodies by design which allows that extra bit of reach. Even if you use what looks like a very well-made carriage that Aiph5u posted about, there’s still a bottom limit somewhere.

So, my point is that it’s not all about getting more clearance under the carriage/gantry because once you start digging down into thicker material, you’re going to run into this issue, and then you have to start looking at buying extra-long cutting bits and collet extensions which also come with negative side effects like too much movement or slop when pushing through the workpiece.

Needless to say, I ended up removing the carriage and re-mounting it in the middle holes just like Onefinity suggests in the setup instructions (#RTFM).

Now at least I had the forethought when building the table for the machine where I have a split down the middle allowing me to mount tall/thin material vertically. The gap in my table is only 6 inches wide but uses the entire Y-axis length and is the same concept that SundownWoodworks did in his post above (nice drawing BTW). Therefore, I would suggest dropping the workpiece and/or adjusting it up or down to accommodate your machine instead of trying to get your machine to accommodate every possible size of workpiece.

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I would consider an upgrade to a Carbide 3D “HDZ” or similar, but not for the purpose of greater travel, but for something that would be easier to fit a Kress or similar spindle to. Someone on the FB group posted their setup. Even possibly reworking the existing Z axis to accommodate this type of spindle. Has better torque at lower RPM’s than typical VFD type spindles. Right now I view the router as the weak point for machining aluminum, but I also wouldn’t mind a bit beefier Z axis build to closer match the rest of the machine.

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Why couldn’t you raise the mount foot print up with wood blocks. This would increase hieght over the whole plat form. Then slide your spinal down. Would that not give you what your looking for

Hey @GregoryG Thanks for asking! I have sold approximately 85 sets to Onefinity customers and I have not had one complaint! There is one guy in Canada that completes deep bowls using the riser blocks And has ordered some custom sizes for special projects. So to answer your question I have not had any problems with mine.

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Hey guys been a great loop. My thoughts are raising the 4 corners provides a more equally distribution of the forces from the machine. Raising the z axis on the mount I think would tend to cause a twisting action. The farther apart the point of stability is created the more stable the center point will remain. The 1 F is I think the most stable machine out there. My base is built with 2" square tubing with 45 degree stabilizing brackets. The top is 1" plywood , capped with 1" mdf, capped with 3/4" mdf waste board. The legs at the wall side are attached with a steel plate. I can’t see any flex at all. Thx for the great education today

Ty Rowdy
For your quick response
They look great and strong
I’m in the middle of rebuilding table with cut out for dovetails Etc when I’m done I’ll try your risers I’m nothing less than excited God bless you

I replaced my Shapeoko with a woodworker Onefinity. I still have the upgraded z axis. How would I go about mounting to the Onefinity and would it even work.

I’m quite confident it could work. All you would have to do is adapt the upgraded Z axis to the Onefinity mount, which should be pretty easy to do. Would need to see a pic of the Z axis to offer any suggestions on how to accomplish that. You would either have to make an adapter plate, or the Z axis would need to have a plate you could put this mounting pattern into. Then just swap Z motors to keep the wiring simple.

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