With the Masso we had a plug and play system to control the vacuum. no fiddley wiring not extra mods and no workaround gymnastics. You just plugged the vac into the port labeled vac, and you could get to work without thinking any more about it. We want that back with the Redline. This is a highly requested feature that should have already been included. Make it so… please make it so! a lot of us want this done ASAP.
Always great to suggest improvements - perhaps also add it to the feature request section.
As an aside, given what this would entail - hardware/circuit revisions - my personal feeling is that this will not happen quickly if at all given the changes required, especially during this time of economic uncertainty for both consumers and manufacturers. Also, there are solutions offered albeit not, as you highlight, as simple as plugging in a cord.
You may want to continue to pursue other options - like the one offered in the other thread - if a non-manual dust control solution is a high priority for your work.
We hear you.
With our Masso solution, vacuum control was definitely more plug-and-play for your situation. You plugged the vac into the port labeled VAC, turned the feature on, and got to work (if your vac wasa within the 10amp limitation). We understand why many customers want that same simplicity with Redline.
That said, it is still possible to add vacuum automation with Redline for roughly $30 USD , 5 minutes, and a few simple wire connections using an external relay:
One of the reasons this was not built into the Gen 2 power box was cost. We worked hard to make the Gen 2 more affordable overall, and removing that built-in switched outlet created meaningful savings. Not every customer used the Masso vacuum port, and it was also limited to 10 amps, which did not work well for many larger dust collectors. It will also let you use a 110 controller with a 220 vac, which the Masso power supply could not do. (also, think of the users in 220v countries who couldn’t use it)
With the Redline setup, customers who want vacuum automation can still add it, while customers who do not need it are not paying extra for a feature they may never use.
An added benefit is that relay-based setups can be more flexible as well, since they can be used for other switched accessories too. It also leaves room for broader options in the future, including potentially higher-voltage solutions if a safe and reliable option becomes available.
There are links to the IOT relay in the faq we posted above.
ok got it but about thirty dollars is way under what it actually does cost and amazon lists this as currently unavailable the PI shop was 54 bucks delivered. thank you for your advise.
So when all is said and done I bought the Iot thing, and will do as onefinity has pointed out. After all I do need it done, but I also emailed Redline and asked for a more elegant solution akin to the Masso but with more umph at least 15 amps of power. they replied they are “looking into it”. So we’ll see. Crossed fingers.
The Masso power supply cannot do more than 10 amps.
The elegent solution of the Redline controller is that you can connect it to any IOT relay as the Redline is just sending a 5v on/off signal, and that external relay can be any amperage. This is what the Masaso power supply cannot do as it’s limited.
Where do we get this Redline CNC Mini I/O Box thing?
It comes with Gen 2 machines.
For those that purchased the BB to Redline upgrade, how do we purchase one?
what about early adopter machines how do I get one?
Just following up on this @OnefinityCNC, how does someone who went the IPP route from BB to Elite Redline purchase this?
In my case, I received one these with my Redline configured Rapid Change ATC kit, as it has the additional connector to communicate with the ATC.
Interestingly, mine was black rather than white, but other than that it looks exactly the same.
That’s a damned expensive way to get one, unless you’ve been ‘looking’ at the ATC and need something to nudge you off the financial cliff.
Hopefully Redline and/or 1F will offer it as a standalone module in the soonish future.
I read somewhere that if you purchased an early version they would be sent out automatically at no charge. As far as the IOT they are an American company and the device is available on Amazon. It’s pretty straightforward. For people that don’t have experience with a relay it can sound scary, but it is essentially a switch that is controlled by a low voltage signal. The short answer is the IOT ( which is basically a plug strip controlled by a relay) plugs into the wall and then you plug whatever device you want to control into the IOT. To control it, you run some small gauge wire (low voltage) from the mini things output to the input of the IOT. Sounds complicated but it will work the same as the Masso. IoT from Digital Loggers off Amazon it should be about $35. I have found RealTime CNC to be a good resource. Here is a link that I think is a little better for those unfamiliar with relays. Replace the DB25 breakout with the IO mini thing they sent you if you have it. Otherwise looks like you can just use a breakout.
Connecting an IoT Relay - RealTime CNC Documenation Hub Connecting an IoT Relay - RealTime CNC Documenation Hub
and yes, you can use simple 22awg stranded wire. to go between the IOT and the mini in/out that comes with the gen 2 machine and redline controller. there I said it lol 22 gauge is fine. why they do not state that in all the blurbs is simply mystifying to me.
@OnefinityCNC Just following up on this again. Will this ever be made available for purchase to those who upgraded to the Redline Elite system via the IPP program?
I think they are supposed to send you one for free.
One was included with my IPP upgrade.
Couldnt you connect one of the Masso’s outputs to the same connections on the same power strip and it would work identically?