Canceled my Elite Journeyman Upgrade with the Masso today. Wanting to see more about the Redline and I agree with it being dedicated to our Onefinitys
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oh had i known lol but to me it does not matter I am going to have it. I have barely started messing about with the masso.
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I agree. It is one of several reasons I like Onefinity. I think offering upgrade paths and opportunities, as well as continued innovation and value, has been part of their DNA from the start.
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I am doing the same, just waiting on the redline to become available if it’s the package price they have in the video.
I don’t know anything about the Redline controller except for the preview we’ve all seen on Youtube, but as far as which is “better” it depends on what your definition of better is and what is important to you.
A more controlled ecosystem supported by Onefinity, or a more open integrated system with multiple parties to deal with in terms of support.
When Masso made the announcement about their subscription charges a while back, both that and other comments made it seem like there may be a disconnect between the two parties maybe limited product roadmap influence. With this new controller it seem Onefinity has an opportunity to establish its own ecosystem and have better control. This could help with delivering new products / bug fixes etc as well as benefit the users with a single support structure instead of being sent in muliple directions depending on the problem at hand.
So i guess it depends on what the user values more – With Onefinity owning more of the components You’re getting a more tightly controlled ecosystem of products and support instead of a integrated 3rd party components. But I suppose you’re also limited to whatever products they may release as part of that ecosystem in the future. Between Masso, redline, rapidchange, air mats, etc, etc it seems an integrated apprach seems to be the path as of late which is great as partnerships can bring new products to market more quickly, but this seems has its tradeoff and this Redline controller move seems be a step in the other direction (at least for the controller).
On the other hand the advantage i see with Masso it’s likely going to be more feature rich (at least initially) and more flexible if you plan to go outside the Onefinity ecosystem. The big one that comes to mind is ATC support. With Onefinity Redline I would think looking at Redline + RapidChange and no other options (at least as of now unless Onefinity offers a different ATC in the future). If you wanted a more traditional ATC setup not only are you on your own but I’m not sure it would even work with the Redline controller if ever. Something like this we know works well with Masso and, while not supported by Onefinity there are enough people and resource available to make it pretty straight forward and achievable. Maybe the ATC isn’t important but just one example
It seems like the Redline tries to bring over some of the good features from BB that Masso doesn’t do well or doesn’t support to their new controller. As much as I prefer the Masso over BB I do miss the joystick, camera, masso app is not great,etc). On the other hand I can’t imagine Redline is going to be as robust as the more mature Masso controller…at least not yet and maybe never depending on what direction Onefinity wants to take it.
Either way I think you have a great machine, and with the IPP it seems you’re never locked in even if you decide to change your machine based on whatever Onefinity decides to do next. Unfortunately it’s costly to do that but having options is a good thing I suppose
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I like the fact that you can preview the 3d model on the controller.
However, I personally prefer the Masso UI overall, so I am going to stick with the Masso.
But my main worry is that Onefinity might gradually drop support for it on potential new things, and focus mostly on the new controller when they’ll come out with some new cnc accessories or features. Even when making a demo to explain some settings changes, who knows, maybe at some point there will be some settings that are named differently on the new controller, and they will demo those only on the new controller, not mentioning what are those settings on the Masso as well. That’s what worries me…
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I chose a Masso G3 as my controller when I purchased my Onefinity CNC just about the time they first came out. From the beginning I have gone to Masso for almost all my technical support, and I do not see that changing.
So as far as Onefinity adding new features or settings, I would not worry as support or explanations as these will come through Masso, since new features will come from them as well and as always be driven by their customer base - which my guess is many Onefinity owners.
As for naming conventions being different, that will come down to a user exercising their due diligence in understanding the hardware and software they purchased. This is not to take the responsibility away from the manufacturer, but owning a CNC IMO brings with it a high level of commitment in so many areas, regardless of who it was purchased from, or how good their support is or is not. After reading years of forum posts I feel Onefinity does very well in this area.
Finally in terms of dropping support for new things such as accessories, here again I feel Onefinity has shown commitment and respect for its user base. People with older hardware are almost always given the opportunity for an upgrade path, or their machines are given the same new features/accessories as those for new machines (where possible). A recent example of this is the new hardware specifically designed to allow older Buildbotics machines to use the new rotary and ATC.
I will however say I understand your concerns and worries, but from what I have seen and experienced over many years with Onefinity, I feel they will continue to provide support to all their customers as they continue to innovate.
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Pardon a late-comer to the conversation.
I have a concern about Onefinity’s Redline offer, knowing nothing about the Redline device. What I do have is a memorable conversation with the fellow who created Buildbotics.
It was my impression that a brilliant guy invented a controller (Buildbotics) that an innovative company (Onefinity) wanted to deploy. Doing so enabled Onefinity (people who understand CNCs) to get their product to market at a time when they weren’t ready for expensive controllers, nor were they prepared to invent their own. It was a nice first marriage.
When that honeymoon ended they continued to live together, but they didn’t share each other’s wages. Eventually they separated amicably. Buildbotics’ creator said nothing unkind, but he would service only what HE sells. Onefinity couldn’t significantly improve the device they bought from him, just use it as created.
When Onefinity became wealthier, and their users demanded a more sophisticated controller, Onefinity inked out a deal whereby an existing, capable company (Masso) would accommodate Onefinity (marketing, labeling, but not features).
Now, as Onefinity offers “Redline” I fear this could be another split, similar to the one with Buildbotics. Frankly, this also seems similar to the life-cycle of the Pwn-CNC and (now) Onefinity spindle.
It’s all honest, it’s just “bidness”, no criticism from me. But when I decide that my (limited) CNC skill set demands more than the Buildbotics clone, I will probably turn to a “by-the-book” Masso controller. If the Masso folks improve it, great. I’ll have a great CNC from people whose core competence is CNCs and a controller from people with a different area of specialization.
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I’ve asked a couple of places before, but is the Redline controller intended for Elite machines only, or can it replace a BB controller on a Pro model? Is it dependent on the Elite’s stepper motors?
The Redline Controller is for the Elite machines with closed loop steppers.
Thanks. Maybe someday you’ll have an Elite upgrade with the Redline controller, similar to the Elite upgrade with the Masso controller.
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From what I understand this new RedLine controller is just that, a controller that can operate a CNC machine.
It can handle closed-loop steppers, you can use a joystick type remote for jogging, and it will also do a lot of other things having to do with CNC related tasks. But, they also say that they are working on other things they want to add to to enhance the user experience and give you all kinds of bells and whistles that people might want. Remember that just because someone want something added to the controller doesn’t mean that it will happen. For now, they have a lot of features that you want and are promising that they will add even more wishes but at some point there will be something they can’t add to this controller without requiring an added box of new computer chips to implement the requested addition of a new item or additional functionality.
Bottom line, it is just another controller and can be used with a CNC other than a Onefinity and there will be a lot more controllers, CNCs, spindles, 4th axis, lasers and whatever they can think up to make you want more.
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interesting new controller, glad to see onefinity offering new things and working with new partners. We were very happy with our masso controlled model and we ordered another one. Not knocking any controller, but we’re happy with onefinity in general and their product and support. Things will improve, new controllers will arrive, and so far for us onefinity has been great. Performance for price has been awesome.
Look forward to assembling second machine when it shows up with the ATC we ordered, and look forward to the 3rd machine in the future 
Thanks onefinity.
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Gotta wonder if it a new hardware control created by them or a modified G3, Gsender or a software control?
Pat
It’s not based on gender or masso whatsoever.
It’s brand new hardware and software built from the ground up and not based on anything that is in existence.
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Any pics or details regarding number of ins and outs?
Pat
Not yet. More info soon.
Do we have an idea when a package with the Redline controller will be for sale? I’ve been itching to click the order button since I cancelled my Masso upgrade kit.
I’m also interested in what’s behind the screen. How many inputs and outputs, the brain etc. also, my only real complaint with Masso is file transfer time via desktop app, they make sneakernet a better experience than what should be faster.
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I have a couple questions on the new controller.
Can it use canned cycles?
will it have the ability to use G41, G42 cutter comp instead of the masso crap?
Will it be able to use G43 to set Z or an option thereof to do it if you prefer it that way?
And can i use the Masso pendant on this controller?
I like the idea of having a xbox controller, seems cool, but i need the ability to use a pendant.
Thank in advance for any insight in this.
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